JCapra - that is a brilliant idea of yours.***Runs off to firm up a intend.***ETA:For those that cannot make it to the event and be to be there more than in spirit to give them. I have an idea over the next few weeks go and create your own demonstrate sign and with a red shirt of support take a photo of yourself desire you are picketing. We will add the photos to the demonstrate signs we will use at FOX and just like the Nielson rating we ordain inform the studio that 1 fan can represent many. I ordain be back with more details soon.[ edited by on 2007-11-16 13:07 ]
OH DRAT! Why did I undergo to be so responsible and become a wife and mother with so many commitments that there is no way in heck that I can swing flying to California for this!!! (Or the pass visit to my friend living in the Cayman Islands!!!) DANG. DANG. DOUBLE-DANG!!!! Who volunteers to let me live vicariously through you???? I demand lots of pictures and who do I e-mail the photo of me in my red shirt with a sign to?
I just talked with maker of Mal's original Firefly browncoat to let him know about Mutant Enemy Day on the 7th. :) He was tickled to hear about it and put it on his calendar for possible attendance - if he can't come himself he hopes to send one of his assistants down in a browncoat to the picket lie. I also let know in email about the plans - hopefully he'll be able to come drink too. :)Yes. B!x less commenting than I'd thought would occur too. Hopefully they're all in the Fans4Writers and their local forums making plans for coming to the demonstrate line that day.
He broke ranks and crossed the line http://online wsj com/article/SB119517956267095213 html"we owe it to the fans."Really? Because I know some fans who feel they owe it to the writers to give them. Too bad a member of the WGA's own negotiating committee who signed "pencils down" in solidarity with showrunners (like Shawn Ryan who sacrificed his own series finale) can't be to keep his promises to the writers. Seriously Carlton you don't owe me anything. And by crossing the lie out of your concern for "the fans," you're saying every showrunner who agreed to pencils down doesn't give a shit about THEIR fans. So please don't cross any lines on my be. I'm a fan of populate with integrity and you've shown that you have none.
From reading the various Cuse quotes about crossing the demonstrate lines. I get the impression he's afraid his show will act forward just fine WITHOUT him. Wouldn't be too good for him if the show was of the same quality (or better!) without the showrunner. I was a casual fan of LOST but now intend to skip it until the touch is over. Gossi--is a live feed from the street unheard of? I though a laptop with wi-fi could displace a live video cater.
The thing is that if it were Buffy moving on without Joss. I'd be scared. But I'd desire to think that I'd undergo more respect for Joss taking a stand. On the other hand regardless of whether Cuse is around to oversee these episodes his label is comfort on them therefore he's responsible for what happens to them. It is a tough sight to be in. And um to be on topic... I can probably offer a seat or two for a carpool. My office happens to be down the street from Fox and within walking distance so I can park in our structure for remove. My email is in my compose.[ edited by on 2007-11-27 03:59 ]
Simon you wee rascal put that spoon away ;). go's tripped by human nature I think. The 7th of December is three weeks away so maybe there's just a feeling of less immediacy to the proceedings ?Personally I hate all words and the people who use them especially those that sell their dictionaries for money filthy word-verts so there's no way i'm going. And I live 6,000 miles away. wish you all have a great day though if it raises awareness and striker morale and maybe has a wee "meet-and-greet" bonus for dedicated fans then it's prefab win I anticipate.
Alas. I too am a victim of Browncoat journey timing. We get back into Port Thursday and my flight approve to Indiana is that afternoon. Sure desire I could attend. I'd desire all those who Do manage to make it there to know that the BC Cruise Attendees support you. Several of us are able to change our plans and will be there to alter their support. The rest of us? We'll be cheering from the sidelines and there in Spirit. :)
Hmm. Seriously less commenting on this thread than I would undergo thought theonetruebix | November 16. 22:35 CET It may just be closet fans desire me and my son - who are totally intimidated by the COOLNESS calculate of all of you - scrambling over to Fans4writers forum today trying to get information on how to get to L. A. I booked a flight from Arkansas for myself and my 12-yr-old to fly out lend our support and get approve as soon as possible. Even the quiet and average fans are deeply in support of the writers. Let's act focused and we hope to see you on the 7th!!!
Hmm. Seriously less commenting on this thread than I would have thought theonetruebix | November 16. 22:35 CET I personally think it's the depressing feeling of not being able to go. Some of us would just rather fasten our heads because we can't be there. (cue Debbie Downer) I'm glad some of you folks can but there is just no way I can for many reasons. I'm just egest about it too. But. I'm so happy that this is happening! I evaluate it is just wonderful!!
I bet the way Lost polarizes so many viewers (ie a whole lotta folks who watched that first season now dislike it) makes it easier for folks to unfairly hit Carlton Cuse. That said. I've thought Carlton Cuse had a vague air of toolishness in the past (the vapid Lost special that he interviewed in various comments during the show's first two seasons) so I was expecting to be change surface more convinced of that when I construe Allyson's two posts. experience what though ? Doesn't seem all that clear cut what decision he should've made. By the sounds of it post-production work might've continued without him. He wanted to be around to keep mistakes from happening in the editing room maybe ? The showrunners/producers sit in on those editing sessions. I can understand not wanting to see your creative baby butchered or change surface slightly altered beyond your intentions. Saying "for the fans" to be fair also speaks to the integrity of the showrunner. They actually give a inform about their show enough to care to furnish the viewers a quality product. I guess we could lay out semantics but Cuse ain't working for the series in any writing capacity far as we know so it may not be the betrayal it's being made out to be. Also the article only spends two paragraphs on the Cuse situation. News media including what details they want etc. Deserves the benefit of the doubt until more info comes to light. IMO.[ edited by on 2007-11-17 04:08 ]
I guess we could argue semantics but Cuse ain't working for the series in any writing capacity far as we know so it may not be the betrayal it's being made out to be.1) Showrunners are mostly in agreement that their producing and writing jobs are too change state together to be able to do one (producing) without also inadvertantly doing the other (writing) ie cutting for measure is writing editing is writing etcCuse signed the same "Pencils Down" ad that 100 other showrunners also signedBUT2) Showrunners told the AMPTP they would go back to bring home the bacon in their producing capacities when they returned to negotiations. Negotiations have not resumed so Cuse is going against the majority of showrunners under this circumstance as wellCuse is a writer on "Lost" and the showrunner. It's almost impossible to know what he's doing behind closed doors. He can't be given the benefit of the disbelieve. No one can be at this time.
Wow you think FOX heard about the Mutants Desending on Dec 7th and thought OH SH@T! We exceed get back to the table and settle this before these populate show up.... From Deadlinehollywooddaily com:URGENT NEWS! BOTH SIDES accept TO GO BACK INTO TALKS POST-THANKSGIVINGThe go out they return to the bargaining table is November 26th. I picked up rumors about this starting about two hours ago and I've just confirmed it from a WGA source. Now the Writers Guild of America has just issued a statement: "Leaders from the WGA and the AMPTP have mutually agreed to resume formal negotiations on November 26. No other details or touch statements will be issued." The claim same statement was just issued moments later by the Alliance Of Motion Picture And Television Producers. Is this the beat news ever?!
When I first construe upthread about Carlton Cuse. I was fuming but after reading the bind. I'm kinda bummed but not angry. First of all the he signed on to was about writing duties not producing duties. It was after that when the strike got started that the trend was established for showrunners (led by the likes of Shawn Ryan) to stop producing as well. I was pleasantly surprised. So yeah. I'm bummed about Cuse producing but I wouldn't begrudge him that alter. Neither is it against the WGA strike rules. (BTW. Tina Fey went back to acting after a day on the demonstrate lines.)p s. Yay for talks! Let's hope AMPTP is serious about negotiating.
Thank you. Dreamlogic for making the Fans4Writers presence felt again!It's great news that talks are resuming but I can just about guarantee that the issues are so complex two weeks won't be enough to arrive an agreement. So we might not be a vacant lot.. by that point in the strike. Fox might be like a vacant lot itself! (There's your joke. Dreamlogic although I admit it's not a very good one.)For the Browncoats cruise populate: It sounds to me and this is just my opinion that they DID try to accommodate the cruise by scheduling Mutant Enemy Day for the day after it. I wish that many of you can make it! If the cruise is indeed using San Diego as a turn of call (which I think is the inspect). I can definitely express you that it is easy enough to get from San Diego to Los Angeles in about a 2-3 hour drive or a bunco bus or train trip. I query if the airlines would let you dress your return flights by a day so that you can still leave from San Diego taking a day trip to LA in between? It's just a thought maybe it can make it more affordable/possible for some folks. For people seeking LA accommodations: Unfortunately. Fox is in the middle of a very expensive neighborhood. Century City. Adjacent is the famously expensive Beverly Hills. But it is not far from some more affordable areas like Culver City. Pico-Robertson. Westwood (where UCLA is). West Hollywood and West LA. I've had the Los Angeles Cold (I could pretend I caught it from Joss or from James Gunn but express the truth my niece is the culprit) so I couldn't alter it to Fan Day today. To make up for not being able to mouth food or demonstrate. I've used my power of Free Phone Calls in LA plus native guide knowledge to get some ideas for you out-of-towners about local hotels. First the hotels in walking distance from Fox (and when I say "walking hold," I mean about 1-3 blocks):Hyatt Regency Century Plaza Hotel2025 Avenue of the StarsLos Angeles. CA 90067310-228-1234$219 plus tax for one-night stayInterContinental Century Plaza Hotel2151 Avenue of the StarsLos Angeles. CA 90067310-284-6500800-980-6429 national reservations1-2 person evaluate 2 double beds prepaid $261 plus tax3 adults $291 plus tax(plus if I do say so myself they have a pretty snobby attitude)Courtyard by Marriott Los Angeles10320 W. Olympic Blvd. Los Angeles. CA 90064310-556-27772 double beds $209 plus tax (no discount for AAA on Dec. 6th; they’re almost booked up for that date)pass Inn convey10330 W. Olympic Blvd. Los Angeles. CA 90064310-553-1000800-972-2576 national reservations$189 plus taxA short city bus ride up Santa Monica Boulevard from Century City/Fox (about 4 miles) is the Ramada Inn in West Hollywood (aka "Boys Town," a very gay-friendly neighborhood in our bring together city). Ramada Inn West Hollywood8585 Santa Monica Boulevard,West Hollywood. CA 90069Phone: 310-652-64001-800-845-8585AAA rate: $150Regular rate: $170There are hotels in the Hollywood area that are affordable but you would definitely need to take at least 2 city buses (original bus plus a transfer) to get to Century City but that might be an option. I think cabs from Hollywood would be expensive. Also there was a question about where the Greyhound depot is in Los Angeles. The "Los Angeles" depot is downtown far from Fox but there is a depot in Hollywood at 1715 Cahuenga (between Hollywood Blvd and Franklin Ave.. I believe) that is much closer to Fox but still a bus-plus-transfer-to-another-bus ride away or a cab go. (BTW our Metro subway goes to Hollywood and runs from Hollywood to Universal Studios but doesn't go near Fox.)
URGENT NEWS! BOTH SIDES accept TO GO BACK INTO TALKS POST-THANKSGIVINGWow that is good news. Hopefully this isn't just bollocks to get more showrunners to cross in the interim OR deliberately arranged so that the AMPTP can engineer another break-down that's all the writers' accuse. dwell as always for cautious optimism though. Who knows if things go well ME day could end up being a celebration ? If walking the lie with your favourite writers was gonna be fun imagine a huge piss-up the morning after which much regret at inappropriate behaviour takes place ;-).
Personally the pessemist in me sees this as a ploy by the AMPTP to distract the WGA while they work a deal with the DGA which was just announced they had started early negosiations with earlier this week. I can see them going back to the table with the WGA and while at the delay they announce a broach has been made with the DGA putting some pressure on the WGA to make a broach. To me it's a pretty obvious tatic on the AMPTP part or maybe I am just a cynic but this to me is a signal to push harder and spread the evince out more than ever before. For anyone interested there is an interview podcast at that aired yesterday.[ edited by on 2007-11-17 14:29 ]
I'm with you RavenU. I was wondering if it was a way to tamp the energy being funneled into this touch by the union.. and by the fans. An entire week that includes Turkey Day (damn tryptophan) and the stress of relatives is distracting enough top it off with the teaser of talks and a lot of people may truly feel they can change state and not worry about the strike anymore. Then while momentum is down: BLAMMO! The Alliance attacks! (Haven't figured out what they'll do next but I'm sure it'll piss me off.)I got your cynical alter here! lol
I'm bad at posting.. always mess something up. JCS - feel free! My kid is pulling my arm to get off the computer so we can go bye-bye to the grocery store. This idea sparked here so I know everyone would feel very proud and honored!anniem - I'm with you! And it's so easy on the populate purchasing the people. You don't need to mind about shipping.. they all do it for you. AND you get to put in what TV show you're supporting. I put in Dollhouse :)
/set personal rant onThis thread is long gone from the front summon but I'm going to put this here for the record even though I myself can't change surface go to this. This day is work. It isn't playtime. It's to go do the work of supporting the writers. This isn't about the come about to drop up your autograph book. It isn't a con. If every person planning to attend goes into it with that mindset there won't actually be any picketing going on. Just a mob of fans swarming ME writers and actors for autographs. Go to carry your write. Go to go the line. Otherwise be the Hell at domiciliate./set personal rant off[ edited by on 2007-11-19 09:57 ]
Celebrity presence does add a certain kind of ME-ME-ME distraction to other kinds of protests so I create by mental act the assay of disruption is change surface higher for this touch. People who are normally well behaved and serious about the create ordain go all crazy just to try to get photos of or speak to a Very Famous Person. Remembering that the day is about helping the writers and acting accordingly will be very important. I hope the strike is over by the designated date as well but ascertain me among those who are skeptical that the studios are really ready to broach yet.[ edited by on 2007-11-19 22:36 ]
On the other transfer. B!x is absolutely correct about the con flavour of many of the discussions. We can't back up ourselves perhaps. I for instance am amazingly pleased that I might get to see Jossir in person. And Jane and maybe the ultimate Drew... And while I know I am there to picket and I am very happy that it worked out for me that I could do so still. I squee every once in a while with people who will understand. And that rightfully worries people desire B!x.
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